Drawing The Line

Before you begin reading this, I reccomend you listen to this, it fit's the read perfectly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUm3GVU_jKc


Why the fuck is it always me when shit goes wrong? EVERY fucking time I think something will go right, it takes a dive-bomb into a pile of shit EVERY TIME. I'm always the target of things, and I'm fucking TIRED OF THE BULLSHIT. I'm widely ignored when I try to tell somebody something, I had a plan set up to get something here on this site, and it fucked up, because it seems there was a LIST for what I wanted, after explicitly saying I wanted it, MONTHS ago, apparently NOBODY knew I wanted it, so I wasn't on the list, even though there's deadpan proof I said I wanted said item. Then I had plans to get a Princess Luna plushie, that fucking failed too, because it's been three/four months since I asked for it. (I didn't actually ask, somebody else did for me, but you get the picture.) Why I try to tell somebody here at school that somebody stole something from me, they responded with "Oh, it's not worth it."

I know it's not worth it, but when EVERYTHING GOES WRONG, I need to draw the line, and THIS is where it begins. It's gotten so bad, in my 6th mod Biology class, I broke down and cried, in the middle of class. I just put my coat down to dry my eyes, and I bawled. Lucky nobody could see me, but it still shows how much I'm holding it in, and the tears still threaten to begin pouring down again. I'm close to snapping, and when I do, I'm worried for whoever's next to me. I need something to break, because words don't cut it anymore. I'm tired of it being me, why is it not somebody else? There are other people like me, who seem to be the worlds target, but why are none of them near me? Why am I the only one? Thinking upon this, I wrote a little short little thing in class called 'I Know Why The Lone Wolf Howls'. (I'm sure somebody else made one of these) Here's what I wrote: "He howls because he has been betrayed by those close to him. He howls for those who have left him, for those who have abandoned him. He howls because nobody cares, and he must fend for himself. He howls, because he is alone. Just like me."

Nice little short story/poem/thing, right? It's exactly how I feel, like nobody cares. The only consolation I have is the love of my life, but even then I have 2&1/2 more years to wait for that. I just don't know how much more I can take before I finally snap, I'm not so sure if I haven't already. I'd also like to note this, along with loads of other crap has happened this month, most of it within this week, so overall, this is easily the worst week, and month of my life, an I only expect more to come.

So, with this, I draw the line. No more am I the worlds punching bag, no more will I always be the pice that's always pushed off onto the side, I plan on going down fighting, calling out those who deserve it. This is where I end the pushing around, so next time you talk to me, I may not be so nice.

"The phrase 'It's better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees.' is backwards, it's better to live on you feet than to die on your knees."

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Originally Posted by Dante

I'm widely ignored when I try to tell somebody something, I had a plan set up to get something here on this site, and it fucked up, because it seems there was a LIST for what I wanted, after explicitly saying I wanted it, MONTHS ago, apparently NOBODY knew I wanted it, so I wasn't on the list, even though there's deadpan proof I said I wanted said item.

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Plan set up to get something here ? Care to tell me about it ? :o

Thank you - I'm glad I'm SOME consolation - but I wish there was more I could do…It breaks my heart to see you going through this, and I really wish I could just take you away from it all.

At any rate, you're right to draw the line here - if you were reduced to breaking down into tears in class, it's definitely time to change something; and I'm so sorry no one in class with you - or the teacher, for that matter - thought to care. Life isn't fair - in fact, life can be utterly cruel - but that doesn't mean you have to take it lying down. Just…please try not to do anything you'll regret later.

Also, since your parents won't say it: I'm proud of you, Robert. After reading all your rants about what you're going through, the fact that you haven't hurt anyone or broken anything yet is truly admirable. You're a very strong person, and you should be proud of yourself for that. Everyone has their breaking point, and you're about there, but the you've lasted this long, and I cannot express how much I respect you for that. I hope you find an outlet that won't get you in more trouble.

Also, I WILL get you a Luna plushie, no matter what it takes - even if I have to ask around and jump between fifteen different plushie makers, I WILL get you that plushie. I promise.

Stay strong. "Even though it hurts like hell, we have to bleed; even when we fight for air, we keep on breathing; even if you've lost yourself, you still have me." :sadsmile:

I'm going to be the first and potentially only person to say this, but if these are all the problems you have to worry about you should get your priorities straight and not act like a child. As terrible as it may sound, I hope there are other things than what you mentioned that are bothering you, because otherwise you have a pretty disappointing fortitude. You almost broke down in class about a username and a plushie? :facehoof:

Sorry if I sound like a dick for not coddling you and agreeing with you how terrible your life is and that things aren't fair and telling you how everything will get better, but there are so many kids your age who complain about how everything bad always happens to them, and all their plans turn out wrong that I think most everyone's patience is wearing thin.

As far as waiting 2 1/2 years for your girl, I do sympathize with you there. I know how hard that is, and while I think you might be a fool for sticking it out, I house some respect for it. Not like there's a choice, right? Still, getting pissed off at every little inconsequential thing will not help that at all. It will only make the waiting worse.

In closing, YES stop being a punching bag! But don't be so emotional over things. Anyone in this world who would agree that not being called Luna on a pony forum is worth crying over is either lying, stupid, or somehow deranged. And while I'm sure there are tons of other things bothering you, you should find someone who's not going to just cry with you over how terrible things are, instead of receiving so much feigned sympathy then going rambo in a life and rants thread like this. What you need to do is realize that you're the only one who can make your life better, try to focus on the big things instead of the tiny baby things like forum names and plushies, and most of all, MAN UP!

Dude, you're in high school. High schools have counselors trained to help you deal with this kind of stuff.

Go talk to one and just tell them exactly what you told us. If you don't want anyone to know then ask to sign a confidentiality agreement and they won't tell a soul or they'll get fired.

If you want to stop being a punching bag, quit playing the victim at everything and making yourself an easy target to shoot at.

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Originally Posted by Kamina

If you want to stop being a punching bag, quit playing the victim at everything and making yourself an easy target to shoot at.

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inb4hate

Anyways, I agree with Bon.
Man up.
You have a house, family, friends, money, you live in a 1st world country, everything.
Everything could've been way worse.
Using the past/present as an excuse for bad behavior is just dumb and will get you in more trouble later.

But hey, that's like my opinion and stuff. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Bon Bon

I'm going to be the first and potentially only person to say this, but if these are all the problems you have to worry about you should get your priorities straight and not act like a child. As terrible as it may sound, I hope there are other things than what you mentioned that are bothering you, because otherwise you have a pretty disappointing fortitude. You almost broke down in class about a username and a plushie? :facehoof:

Sorry if I sound like a dick for not coddling you and agreeing with you how terrible your life is and that things aren't fair and telling you how everything will get better, but there are so many kids your age who complain about how everything bad always happens to them, and all their plans turn out wrong that I think most everyone's patience is wearing thin.

As far as waiting 2 1/2 years for your girl, I do sympathize with you there. I know how hard that is, and while I think you might be a fool for sticking it out, I house some respect for it. Not like there's a choice, right? Still, getting pissed off at every little inconsequential thing will not help that at all. It will only make the waiting worse.

In closing, YES stop being a punching bag! But don't be so emotional over things. Anyone in this world who would agree that not being called Luna on a pony forum is worth crying over is either lying, stupid, or somehow deranged. And while I'm sure there are tons of other things bothering you, you should find someone who's not going to just cry with you over how terrible things are, instead of receiving so much feigned sympathy then going rambo in a life and rants thread like this. What you need to do is realize that you're the only one who can make your life better, try to focus on the big things instead of the tiny baby things like forum names and plushies, and most of all, MAN UP!

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One, where did you get the impression that the forum name and the plushie were the main issues here? The way *I* understand it, it's the way he's being treated at home and at school that are the main problems, and things like the name and the plushie are just additional problems that are fouling up the place he goes to escape. When you're dealing with a lot of stress and trying to hold everything in, smaller problems get amplified into big deals - I've been there. I also get the impression that it's not about the actual name itself, or the plushie itself, it's about how unfair both issues have or will turn out - again, only adding on to all the crap he's going through IRL. It almost seems like you didn't read the whole post. Or maybe I'm mixing things up and it was in a previous rant that he made that clear (I can't bear to read it again, so I'm not sure). Either way, YES he's going through a lot more than just not getting a username and a plushie!

Two, I take personal offense to the fact that you're calling him a fool for sticking out the wait, even though you CLAIM to be able to sympathize. I don't know what exactly your opinion of me is, but saying things like that - implying that I'm not worth the wait - is more than a little hurtful.

Three, I had it much easier than him when I was young, but I always took out my feelings on everyone around me. He's a much stronger person than I'll ever be, and by no means is he a baby.

Four, isn't the POINT of the Life and Rants section to vent about things in your life that are making you angry or upset?

And five, does it not occur to you that part of the reason he feels like no one cares about him is because people here - like you - make it very clear that they don't?

Just because you're a mod doesn't give you the right to be a dick, and I know from personal experience that saying things like "you're making a big deal over nothing" and "man up" is the OPPOSITE of helpful.

OP is just the typical teen.

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Originally Posted by Bon Bon

I'm going to be the first and potentially only person to say this, but if these are all the problems you have to worry about you should get your priorities straight and not act like a child. As terrible as it may sound, I hope there are other things than what you mentioned that are bothering you, because otherwise you have a pretty disappointing fortitude. You almost broke down in class about a username and a plushie? :facehoof:

Sorry if I sound like a dick for not coddling you and agreeing with you how terrible your life is and that things aren't fair and telling you how everything will get better, but there are so many kids your age who complain about how everything bad always happens to them, and all their plans turn out wrong that I think most everyone's patience is wearing thin.

As far as waiting 2 1/2 years for your girl, I do sympathize with you there. I know how hard that is, and while I think you might be a fool for sticking it out, I house some respect for it. Not like there's a choice, right? Still, getting pissed off at every little inconsequential thing will not help that at all. It will only make the waiting worse.

In closing, YES stop being a punching bag! But don't be so emotional over things. Anyone in this world who would agree that not being called Luna on a pony forum is worth crying over is either lying, stupid, or somehow deranged. And while I'm sure there are tons of other things bothering you, you should find someone who's not going to just cry with you over how terrible things are, instead of receiving so much feigned sympathy then going rambo in a life and rants thread like this. What you need to do is realize that you're the only one who can make your life better, try to focus on the big things instead of the tiny baby things like forum names and plushies, and most of all, MAN UP!

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I literally said everything you already said, and I already said that there was many more problems with my life than what was listed. You wanna know the some more on the list? My father is currently in god-knows where with my little brother who he took from us after we got attached to him, and I got news that he was abusing the kid, not to mention my father is a druggie. My parents also refuse to tell me anything about it, so all of this I've heard by over-hearing them. My great grandmother had recently had surgery, so she's not living with us like she usually is, and she may not come back and live with us at all again. Then there's my grades that have been steadily dropping because I can't GET any help from a counselor @Snowdrop. The teachers here are pretty much useless, minus a select few. Not to mention the career choice I had in mind, which is the only thing I'm good at, has no openings, and the last one went to somebody else who didn't even apply like I did. No other schools in this state teach that class, and because my teachers here are so useless, and my school is so low-budget, I can't get the equipment to learn my selected study, and nobody here is qualified to teach it.

@Gilda: I don't have family, or at the very least I have very little of it. As previously stated my father is somewhere, and I never see my mom, and my great-grandmother is not going to be living with us any more.

While I understand that "cuddling up" isn't the best of ideas, I hate it myself, the least you could do is not be a dick about it, and not repeat the same thing I said. These things have been building over the years, it's not about something so tiny as those things, it's about all that's happened. Picking one or two of those things and calling me a wimp on it isn't exactly the best way to call somebody out on, look at the bigger picture.

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Originally Posted by Pinkamena

OP is just the typical teen.

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I wish that was true.

Next question: Why can't you get help from a counselor and why are the teachers useless? Don't just say they are, I want reasons.

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Originally Posted by Wandergirl108

Four, isn't the POINT of the Life and Rants section to vent about things in your life that are making you angry or upset?

And five, does it not occur to you that part of the reason he feels like no one cares about him is because people here - like you - make it very clear that they don't?

Just because you're a mod doesn't give you the right to be a dick, and I know from personal experience that saying things like "you're making a big deal over nothing" and "man up" is the OPPOSITE of helpful.

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Yes, it is. But it also is a place to have serious discussions. Which is, as far as I know, what we're having. We're saying what is true, not what people want to hear, even if it may hurt.

Also, this is the internet. I know, I 'shouldn't be the one speaking' considering I'm on... quite a lot. But, I still know the differences between RL and online. If people here are like "lol gilderpy we dun kaer go dai" I won't nearly feel as bad as if, say, my teachers said "You're a failure, please kill yourself." It may be a terrible example, but it still is one. We don't not care about him, but, we're being honest. Do we know everything? Of course we don't. Do we know him IRL? I'm sure most don't. We can't have a 'good view' on him because we simply don't know him, so we have to 'generalize' him, treat him like we would treat pretty much everyone.

He's not being a dick. He's being honest.
And, I, know from personal experience, that it IS helpful. Do you really think it'll help anyone if we just kept comforting them? Sometimes we have to be 'harsh' and truthful. Otherwise they won't get it. If everyone keeps being all like "Oh your life is so sad" and kept 'giving them more' they'd just keep using that instead of actually doing anything about it. To me, it was very helpful, and trust me, I went pretty sadfeels at some point. (God I hate what I did back then :c )

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Originally Posted by Dante

@Gilda: I don't have family, or at the very least I have very little of it. As previously stated my father is somewhere, and I never see my mom, and my great-grandmother is not going to be living with us any more.

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There's tons of things we don't know about eachother.
And even though I have to admit that not having a (big) family sucks, it shouldn't mean you deserve 'more' than anyone else.
We should all be treated equally.

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Picking one or two of those things and calling me a wimp on it isn't exactly the best way to call somebody out on, look at the bigger picture.

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Well, how are some of us supposed to know what the "bigger picture" is?

And trust me, you are a typical teen.
Simply because one or two things are "different" does make you different or special. (Using special here as a way to referring to get treated better than others, or something.)
Not every teenager is 100% exact. They're all different in their own way. For example; Here it's "weird" to have a 'normal' (Mother and father living in one house, being happy. No abuse, no anything.) as opposed to having a 'broken' one (Missing one parent or even both, divorced parents, living with grandparents, etc.)

And yeah.
I probably didn't cover everything, or kinda derped up some translations, but I think you get what I mean.
Again, before you go all ragemode saying I probably live the best life ever and I don't know what I'm talking about, remember this;

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There's tons of things we don't know about eachother.

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Originally Posted by Gilda

Yes, it is. But it also is a place to have serious discussions. Which is, as far as I know, what we're having. We're saying what is true, not what people want to hear, even if it may hurt.

Also, this is the internet. I know, I 'shouldn't be the one speaking' considering I'm on... quite a lot. But, I still know the differences between RL and online. If people here are like "lol gilderpy we dun kaer go dai" I won't nearly feel as bad as if, say, my teachers said "You're a failure, please kill yourself." It may be a terrible example, but it still is one. We don't not care about him, but, we're being honest. Do we know everything? Of course we don't. Do we know him IRL? I'm sure most don't. We can't have a 'good view' on him because we simply don't know him, so we have to 'generalize' him, treat him like we would treat pretty much everyone.

He's not being a dick. He's being honest.
And, I, know from personal experience, that it IS helpful. Do you really think it'll help anyone if we just kept comforting them? Sometimes we have to be 'harsh' and truthful. Otherwise they won't get it. If everyone keeps being all like "Oh your life is so sad" and kept 'giving them more' they'd just keep using that instead of actually doing anything about it. To me, it was very helpful, and trust me, I went pretty sadfeels at some point. (God I hate what I did back then :c )

There's tons of things we don't know about eachother.
And even though I have to admit that not having a (big) family sucks, it shouldn't mean you deserve 'more' than anyone else.
We should all be treated equally.


Well, how are some of us supposed to know what the "bigger picture" is?

And trust me, you are a typical teen.
Simply because one or two things are "different" does make you different or special. (Using special here as a way to referring to get treated better than others, or something.)
Not every teenager is 100% exact. They're all different in their own way. For example; Here it's "weird" to have a 'normal' (Mother and father living in one house, being happy. No abuse, no anything.) as opposed to having a 'broken' one (Missing one parent or even both, divorced parents, living with grandparents, etc.)

And yeah.
I probably didn't cover everything, or kinda derped up some translations, but I think you get what I mean.
Again, before you go all ragemode saying I probably live the best life ever and I don't know what I'm talking about, remember this;

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Gilda, people being "harsh" on me was NEVER helpful - it just made me angrier and more resentful, and more likely to continue with my "bad" behavior. I used to be Dante in a lot of ways, so I can draw on personal experience - not just with being mad about stuff as a teen, but with the way he perceives the world. Sometimes, setting an example by showing kindness and sympathy is the way to go. I'm not coddling him when I show sympathy, I'm treating him with respect and understanding, which is honestly more than you can say. Some people think that showing sympathy, kindness, and respect is being "soft", and that being "brutally honest" builds character or makes you stronger or helps you straighten yourself out; honestly, that's total bulls:yay:. Have you learned nothing from Fluttershy? Kindness is not weakness, and criticism isn't always helpful.

He is NOT a typical teen, he's been through a lot and has to put up with a lot of BS; AND, he's not even ASKING to be treated in a "special" way, he's just asking to be treated FAIRLY - which, again, you are not doing. Also, if you read his previous rants and his user profile note, you'd have a MUCH better idea of what's going on. Don't blame HIM because you don't know things; he's been more than open about all of it here.

I am not going to accuse you of having had "the best life ever", because to be perfectly honest, *I* have, and have always had, the best life ever: I was adopted at birth by two loving parents who never fight with each other, never yell at me, and strive to give me all the love and support they can each and every day; besides which they brought me into a financially stable family, so we've NEVER had to worry about money. I'm not saying I was never punished as a child - I was, quite frequently - I'm saying that I don't assume you're being insensitive because you have no idea what it's like to have a hard life, because by that reasoning, I should care less than anypony else here, and yet I seem to be the only one who DOES care. Also, given that I had such a wonderful life growing up, it should be surprising that I got in trouble so much, but I had some issues (i.e. ADHD, mild Autism, and so on) that I had no control over when I was young, and that I also eventually grew out of - time is the only remedy for the "bad" behavior of some kids, and punishing them only makes it worse.

Now, would everypony who won't say something nice please leave - I know you mean well, but you are not helping. :begone:

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Originally Posted by Wandergirl108

Gilda, people being "harsh" on me was NEVER helpful - it just made me angrier and more resentful, and more likely to continue with my "bad" behavior. I used to be Dante in a lot of ways, so I can draw on personal experience - not just with being mad about stuff as a teen, but with the way he perceives the world. Sometimes, setting an example by showing kindness and sympathy is the way to go. I'm not coddling him when I show sympathy, I'm treating him with respect and understanding, which is honestly more than you can say. Some people think that showing sympathy, kindness, and respect is being "soft", and that being "brutally honest" builds character or makes you stronger or helps you straighten yourself out; honestly, that's total bulls:yay:. Have you learned nothing from Fluttershy? Kindness is not weakness, and criticism isn't always helpful.

He is NOT a typical teen, he's been through a lot and has to put up with a lot of BS; AND, he's not even ASKING to be treated in a "special" way, he's just asking to be treated FAIRLY - which, again, you are not doing. Also, if you read his previous rants and his user profile note, you'd have a MUCH better idea of what's going on. Don't blame HIM because you don't know things; he's been more than open about all of it here.

I am not going to accuse you of having had "the best life ever", because to be perfectly honest, *I* have, and have always had, the best life ever: I was adopted at birth by two loving parents who never fight with each other, never yell at me, and strive to give me all the love and support they can each and every day; besides which they brought me into a financially stable family, so we've NEVER had to worry about money. I'm not saying I was never punished as a child - I was, quite frequently - I'm saying that I don't assume you're being insensitive because you have no idea what it's like to have a hard life, because by that reasoning, I should care less than anypony else here, and yet I seem to be the only one who DOES care. Also, given that I had such a wonderful life growing up, it should be surprising that I got in trouble so much, but I had some issues (i.e. ADHD, mild Autism, and so on) that I had no control over when I was young, and that I also eventually grew out of - time is the only remedy for the "bad" behavior of some kids, and punishing them only makes it worse.

Now, would everypony who won't say something nice please leave - I know you mean well, but you are not helping. :begone:

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First of all; Jesus Christ, calm down.

Secondly; People being harsh towards me made me realize I was doing stuff wrong; They won't say stuff that isn't true, right?
I'm treating him with respect too, but I'm being honest. I think you take my posts as if I'm trying to attack and break down Dante, which I am not. I'm simply being honest, and I'm explaining/telling him what worked for me.
You're not being held a gun against your head and forced to read my posts. Think the things I say is bullshit? Well then so it be. :I

And I, in fact, haven't learned anything from Fluttershy, and to be honest, I'd prefer if we kept pony stuff outside of this. (To me, that kinda makes it look... "unreal", in a way. Not exactly what I'd want in a serious conversation.)

And did you even read what I said? You think Dante is the only teen who ever had bad stuff happen to him? Well you're mighty wrong there. And not wanting to be criticized, and only getting cuddled and agreed with, is being treated specially. Maybe he doesn't flat-out ask for it, but you sure are forcing it onto him this way.
No offense, I think you're pretty cool, but isn't this getting ridiculous?

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Now, would everypony who won't say something nice please leave - I know you mean well, but you are not helping. :begone:

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So if we're not nice to him, we can't say anything?
If we're being truthful and honest to him, we're not helping?
That's kinda... yeah.

Besides, it's not my fault I don't stalk Dante enough to know him that well.
I read the original post, which I assume, has everything in it.
Why would I have to read all his VMs and stalk him all the time?
Just so I can be all like "Oh Dante your life is so bad I'm sorry I'll be nice to you 24/7"?
Because really, that's what you're trying to do here.

I care about Dante, hence why I'm actually typing out all these things.
I got punished for (Basically) asking for attention. I realized it was bad, I changed, and you ain't gonna tell me that made me worse.

Also, again
Jesus Christ
Calm down, and let me explain
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Look at those two things.
Look at them, and tell me you're not overreacting.
I'm being honest and you're taking it like some sort of personal attack on him.
I doubt you know the difference between being honest and attacking.
I say things, and explain why I say them.
I don't go flat-out "Dante you're a bitch stop crying"

I lol'd at that post, because seriously.

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Now, would everypony who won't say something nice please leave - I know you mean well, but you are not helping. :begone:

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So you basically said this;
"Be nice to him because if you don't I assume you're a jerk who only speaks shit."
I can be a jerk, and I do quite often speak shit.
But now, I'm not being, or doing, either.
If I wanted to be a jerk and speak shit I'd go to Dystopia.
Here, I'm just being honest.

But that REP
Oh god
Just seriously.
Seriously.
Reread what you said.
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I should "Shut my trap" because...
Hell, I can't even end that sentence.
Now tell me missy, what did I say wrong?
Other than being honest, and not overly cuddling him for his sad past, what did I do?
I know I'm the queen of obsession and overprotection, but oh my, you just redefined that.

I obviously know what I'm talking about, because otherwise I wouldn't be talking here.
I know, some things may not sound as nice as they should, but you gotta remember that this is my third language and I don't possess the same amount of vocabulary as you.
But, again, I do know what I'm talking about.

Jesus.
Calm down before you reply.
Because honestly, you'll be the first one to go over the top.

Just, simply, quote every single thing I said that was either a lie, or just completely wrong.
In this post, or in my previous post, I don't care.

Really, please just stop taking every little thing like it's some huge personal attack.
I'm trying to help Dante just ask much as you, but I don't sugarcoat everything.

My friends! STOP!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Qgcl3q0XU

Stop this silliness now! Do you really think that Dante was hoping that his thoughts and feelings would be the gateway to arguments among friends? @Wandergirl108, I understand that you want to look after Dante, that's perfectly fine. But stop going about it the way you are. By getting angry at anyone who says something even remotely negative to him, you are coddling him. It's fine to say nice things to him, and wish that people would do the same, but you have to accept that if they don't have something nice to say, but they believe that they are helping, then they are completely entitled to do so. Furthermore, I saw the VM you sent to Gilda, and you're just getting spiteful, so cool it. @Gilda, you're not in the clear either. You have stated that you don't know the full story of what Dante is going through, and I am glad you can accept that, but this:

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Is not helpful to anyone.
Your bickering has gone beyond this thread to angry messages to each other, and @Lyra has even been dragged into it over something that @Bon Bon has said. This is almost definitely NOT what Dante wanted.

Truth is @Dante, while there are many things that have been beyond your control, and that must be frustrating, you still possess some of the blame, due to the way in which you have handled these things. You claim that your teachers are useless, but have failed to provide evidence, and you have been using every external force acting upon you as an excuse for your anger, behavior and your bad grades. You need to accept some of the responsibility, and start working towards changing your situation for the better. I have already offered to assist you with Mathematics work (which has unfortunately come too late) but if I can help you improve your grades in other classes I will be more than willing to help. You need to step back, look at your life and work out what needs to change, and how.

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Originally Posted by Braeburn

My friends! STOP!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Qgcl3q0XU

Stop this silliness now! Do you really think that Dante was hoping that his thoughts and feelings would be the gateway to arguments among friends? @Wandergirl108, I understand that you want to look after Dante, that's perfectly fine. But stop going about it the way you are. By getting angry at anyone who says something even remotely negative to him, you are coddling him. It's fine to say nice things to him, and wish that people would do the same, but you have to accept that if they don't have something nice to say, but they believe that they are helping, then they are completely entitled to do so. Furthermore, I saw the VM you sent to Gilda, and you're just getting spiteful, so cool it. @Gilda, you're not in the clear either. You have stated that you don't know the full story of what Dante is going through, and I am glad you can accept that, but this:


Is not helpful to anyone.
Your bickering has gone beyond this thread to angry messages to each other, and @Lyra has even been dragged into it over something that @Bon Bon has said. This is almost definitely NOT what Dante wanted.

Truth is @Dante, while there are many things that have been beyond your control, and that must be frustrating, you still possess some of the blame, due to the way in which you have handled these things. You claim that your teachers are useless, but have failed to provide evidence, and you have been using every external force acting upon you as an excuse for your anger, behavior and your bad grades. You need to accept some of the responsibility, and start working towards changing your situation for the better. I have already offered to assist you with Mathematics work (which has unfortunately come too late) but if I can help you improve your grades in other classes I will be more than willing to help. You need to step back, look at your life and work out what needs to change, and how.

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I am NOT coddling him. Read the thread I just posted, then talk to me.

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Originally Posted by Wandergirl108

I am NOT coddling him. Read the thread I just posted, then talk to me.

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Kindness is not coddling, I agree. BUT by getting aggrivated and attacking everyone who has anything harsh to say to him IS coddling. Being nice to him is fine, and please continue as I am sure he needs some kindness right now, but stop attacking everyone else in the process. It is neither helpful nor constructive, and is NOT the way to get your side of the argument listened to.

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Originally Posted by Gilda

First of all; Jesus Christ, calm down.

Secondly; People being harsh towards me made me realize I was doing stuff wrong; They won't say stuff that isn't true, right?
I'm treating him with respect too, but I'm being honest. I think you take my posts as if I'm trying to attack and break down Dante, which I am not. I'm simply being honest, and I'm explaining/telling him what worked for me.
You're not being held a gun against your head and forced to read my posts. Think the things I say is bullshit? Well then so it be. :I

And I, in fact, haven't learned anything from Fluttershy, and to be honest, I'd prefer if we kept pony stuff outside of this. (To me, that kinda makes it look... "unreal", in a way. Not exactly what I'd want in a serious conversation.)

And did you even read what I said? You think Dante is the only teen who ever had bad stuff happen to him? Well you're mighty wrong there. And not wanting to be criticized, and only getting cuddled and agreed with, is being treated specially. Maybe he doesn't flat-out ask for it, but you sure are forcing it onto him this way.
No offense, I think you're pretty cool, but isn't this getting ridiculous?

So if we're not nice to him, we can't say anything?
If we're being truthful and honest to him, we're not helping?
That's kinda... yeah.

Besides, it's not my fault I don't stalk Dante enough to know him that well.
I read the original post, which I assume, has everything in it.
Why would I have to read all his VMs and stalk him all the time?
Just so I can be all like "Oh Dante your life is so bad I'm sorry I'll be nice to you 24/7"?
Because really, that's what you're trying to do here.

I care about Dante, hence why I'm actually typing out all these things.
I got punished for (Basically) asking for attention. I realized it was bad, I changed, and you ain't gonna tell me that made me worse.

Also, again
Jesus Christ
Calm down, and let me explain
http://gyazo.com/475154b3812c529b5b120905422509b3.png
http://gyazo.com/3647bff293d663715dc00c56d2632b69.png
Look at those two things.
Look at them, and tell me you're not overreacting.
I'm being honest and you're taking it like some sort of personal attack on him.
I doubt you know the difference between being honest and attacking.
I say things, and explain why I say them.
I don't go flat-out "Dante you're a bitch stop crying"

I lol'd at that post, because seriously.

So you basically said this;
"Be nice to him because if you don't I assume you're a jerk who only speaks shit."
I can be a jerk, and I do quite often speak shit.
But now, I'm not being, or doing, either.
If I wanted to be a jerk and speak shit I'd go to Dystopia.
Here, I'm just being honest.

But that REP
Oh god
Just seriously.
Seriously.
Reread what you said.
http://gyazo.com/3647bff293d663715dc00c56d2632b69.png
I should "Shut my trap" because...
Hell, I can't even end that sentence.
Now tell me missy, what did I say wrong?
Other than being honest, and not overly cuddling him for his sad past, what did I do?
I know I'm the queen of obsession and overprotection, but oh my, you just redefined that.

I obviously know what I'm talking about, because otherwise I wouldn't be talking here.
I know, some things may not sound as nice as they should, but you gotta remember that this is my third language and I don't possess the same amount of vocabulary as you.
But, again, I do know what I'm talking about.

Jesus.
Calm down before you reply.
Because honestly, you'll be the first one to go over the top.

Just, simply, quote every single thing I said that was either a lie, or just completely wrong.
In this post, or in my previous post, I don't care.

Really, please just stop taking every little thing like it's some huge personal attack.
I'm trying to help Dante just ask much as you, but I don't sugarcoat everything.

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One, read the thread I just posted. Two, I may be taking this personally because I used to be a lot like him and I understand what he's going through.

I'm completely going to ignore all shit previous to this post and actually respond to @Dante here.

I'm sorry that things didn't work out for you.
Crying in class really isn't good, and keeping your emotions in like that will only make them worse.
You should find something to release them with. Do you do any kind of sports?
When I was a teenager, I had a lot of these teenagy-feelings too, and I got a punching bag.
It might seem like a lame suggestion, but trust me, it really helped me.

I don't really have other advice to give you, other than that it might help you to talk about things every once in a while.
And by that I mean actually talk, no random swearing or cussing, but actually discussing what's making you feel bad and figure out a way to deal with these things.
It might be wise to seek your advice elsewhere every now and then, because if you keep getting the same advice, it won't help you at all.
Perhaps you don't even need advice, but you just need to let it all out. Just give yourself that, okay?
All the guys on here might seem a bit insensitive and rude but I promise you that deep inside they're all good people, and they all care.
If you ever really want to talk with someone, you have my skype and if you need me, I'll be there.

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Originally Posted by Wandergirl108

Now, would everypony who won't say something nice please leave - I know you mean well, but you are not helping. :begone:

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It really should say something when everyone else has essentially commented the same "un-nice" things, Wandergirl. In particular, that perhaps you are both looking at this the wrong way. For the better part of the last week both you and Dante have been outspoken and more about these hardships you've been having. I know, because my "What's new?" tab has displayed them to me and everyone else on this site. :/ Hell, you have both blatantly ranted about both mods and users alike in VERY public VMs.

I have been a part of this community for almost a year now. I've seen our users and mods help fellow members find help with problems concerning almost everything under the sun. Suicide, abusive parents, harmful relationships and more. You name it. Point is, people have always have spoken in the best interest of others. The generosity I've seen on this site, in this section, is one of the biggest reasons I remain a mod and supporter of this community.

I am not saying the pain/frustration both you and Dante are feeling is wrong, what I am saying is to understand our 'full picture' of what we have been seeing this last week. Word gets around FAST in this day and age with our advancements of technology. We understand you are upset, but you can only be in grief for so long. There comes a point that you have to decide whether you continue fretting over the things you can't change, or take actions to change the things you can. That is really what most of the people here are trying to say.

We don't want to see either of you holding yourself in woes of your lives anymore. You need to take a stand and accept the advice so many people are trying to tell you: stop beating yourself up, hating on others, and move on. How do you expect to take on the harder challenges of life like paying bills, taking care of a family and home, or let alone the day-to-day stress that a job may bring? Things will only get harder from here on out. I apologize if that is tough to hear, but it is true.

A close friend of mine is currently dealing with the threat of being kicked out of college, the possibility that their Grandparents won't soon even remember their name, their mother essentially paying all the bills for their family, the chance their significant other won't even have a place to live anymore AND (to top it all off) their health has also been on the decline. Yet, despite all that hell, they still manages to keep their wits about them and move ahead for a brighter tomorrow. They realize they can't let life's speed bumps slow them down.

This is what everyone here is trying to say.

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Originally Posted by Lyra

I'm completely going to ignore all shit previous to this post and actually respond to @Dante here.

I'm sorry that things didn't work out for you.
Crying in class really isn't good, and keeping your emotions in like that will only make them worse.
You should find something to release them with. Do you do any kind of sports?
When I was a teenager, I had a lot of these teenagy-feelings too, and I got a punching bag.
It might seem like a lame suggestion, but trust me, it really helped me.

I don't really have other advice to give you, other than that it might help you to talk about things every once in a while.
And by that I mean actually talk, no random swearing or cussing, but actually discussing what's making you feel bad and figure out a way to deal with these things.
It might be wise to seek your advice elsewhere every now and then, because if you keep getting the same advice, it won't help you at all.
Perhaps you don't even need advice, but you just need to let it all out. Just give yourself that, okay?
All the guys on here might seem a bit insensitive and rude but I promise you that deep inside they're all good people, and they all care.
If you ever really want to talk with someone, you have my skype and if you need me, I'll be there.

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Case-in-point, seek out methods like these, @Dante. You will be surprised how much they can help.

What the actual fuck happened in here?
@Lyra: Lock requested, this is getting WAY out of hand, I didn't want to start a giant-ass fight, I simply wanted to, well, rant. I'm not asking for "cuddling and kindness", but I'm NOT asking for people to get at each others throats either.

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Originally Posted by Applejack

It really should say something when everyone else has essentially commented the same "un-nice" things, Wandergirl. In particular, that perhaps you are both looking at this the wrong way. For the better part of the last week both you and Dante have been outspoken and more about these hardships you've been having. I know, because my "What's new?" tab has displayed them to me and everyone else on this site. :/ Hell, you have both blatantly ranted about both mods and users alike in VERY public VMs.

I have been a part of this community for almost a year now. I've seen our users and mods help fellow members find help with problems concerning almost everything under the sun. Suicide, abusive parents, harmful relationships and more. You name it. Point is, people have always have spoken in the best interest of others. The generosity I've seen on this site, in this section, is one of the biggest reasons I remain a mod and supporter of this community.

I am not saying the pain/frustration both you and Dante are feeling is wrong, what I am saying is to understand our 'full picture' of what we have been seeing this last week. Word gets around FAST in this day and age with our advancements of technology. We understand you are upset, but you can only be in grief for so long. There comes a point that you have to decide whether you continue fretting over the things you can't change, or take actions to change the things you can. That is really what most of the people here are trying to say.

We don't want to see either of you holding yourself in woes of your lives anymore. You need to take a stand and accept the advice so many people are trying to tell you: stop beating yourself up, hating on others, and move on. How do you expect to take on the harder challenges of life like paying bills, taking care of a family and home, or let alone the day-to-day stress that a job may bring? Things will only get harder from here on out. I apologize if that is tough to hear, but it is true.

A close friend of mine is currently dealing with the threat of being kicked out of college, the possibility that their Grandparents won't soon even remember their name, their mother essentially paying all the bills for their family, the chance their significant other won't even have a place to live anymore AND (to top it all off) their health has also been on the decline. Yet, despite all that hell, they still manages to keep their wits about them and move ahead for a brighter tomorrow. They realize they can't let life's speed bumps slow them down.

This is what everyone here is trying to say.



Case-in-point, seek out methods like these, @Dante. You will be surprised how much they can help.

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i came here to throw my two cents, but AJ just threw you a hundred dollars, I know I could use direct rep or feedback buttons but I want everyone to know I thank you for this post, thank you Applejack.

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Originally Posted by Dante

What the actual fuck happened in here?
@Lyra: Lock requested, this is getting WAY out of hand, I didn't want to start a giant-ass fight, I simply wanted to, well, rant. I'm not asking for "cuddling and kindness", but I'm NOT asking for people to get at each others throats either.

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Alright, I'll close this.
I think this was a pretty one sided fight though, the other side was just giving their honest thoughts on the whole situation :tinyshrug: